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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Spinal" data-source="post: 700157" data-attributes="member: 21980">That was my thought, but then swmbo "convinced" me to look at a panda4x4 and a sj410... <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite19" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />A k11 seems like the most sensible, mad, choice... Going to see one tomorrow... do these things have belts or chains? Anything beyond rust I should be looking for?M.</blockquote>