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thanks man you're awesome, you answer each time. one of the best things that has ever been earned with the micra was this land of knowledge and infinite support. I must point out that once I had the car lowered with new ventura springs to 35mm lowering I replaced new shocks all round but the shocks were oem dunno if this must have been diff for lowered springs. currently hav no budget to replace any if these if necessary. since I must buy 2 new front wheels, sort both wishbones..presuming im gonna need new panhard rod. and have to sort rusting over christmas shutdown. roof, tailgate and passenger front mudguard which has come off loose from the under bolts.